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Gary Chatman's avatar

i meaninglessly gave up 2 years of my life to give obese, above-life-expectancy boomers an extra 5 months to live and that’s the truth of it

forced to get a shot that made me sicker than I’ve ever been in my life, only to have that shot not do anything against an infection 6 months later. the ironic cherry on top of having to constantly wear a dehumanizing talisman of mystical protection at work and at school

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Andrew Malone's avatar

Free will vs determinism, and empathy vs. anger, both rely on reifying a self who is being centered in these debates. When there is no action to be taken, it's all just unresolvable feelings. I think the more interesting, lived answer arises in crisis situations in which there is no good choice, so you do something, and you live with it, and can maybe justify it but also must see your self as no less fallible and ensnared in karma / interdependent co-arising than anyone else. Then true compassion begins.

An interesting example is the invasion of Korea in 1592. Korea had no standing army and was overrun, with resulting atrocities. The head Zen Master So Sahn traveled the country and created an army of monks, who broke their vows and killed Japanese soldiers to defend the country. In the histories, the monk armies were notable for their humane treatment of prisoners, unheard of at the time. But they had to bear the heavy burden of breaking their precepts, and potentially losing their human rebirths, because the alternative was worse. (Though according to Zen, if one breaks the precepts for the sake of others, in order to alleviate suffering, then there is no breaking of precepts. But that can only be verified in one's own heart and mind, and can't just be a justification post-hoc.)

So we as socialists can view others as making decisions arising out of material cause and effect, and yet still have a sense of needing to stop or punish them, without contradiction, so long as it seems, to the best of our knowledge, to be for the greater good. And this will necessarily be a judgment in flux, and open to grave error.

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